| This material circulated on a listserve. The person providing it to
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It is an example of a libertarian position that combines outrageous
conspiracism, antisemitic stereotypes, and support for Osama bin Laden.
Item #1: Some outfit! Mossad is our eyes and (sometimes)
bin Ladin's hands.
Today's (October 15) Wall Street Journal, in an article that began on
page A12, in the pages usually devoted to foreign busines news, concludes
under the heading, "Israeli Military to Brief Pentagon" reveals
that Israeli intelligence is providing ALL of our field-agent-gathered
intelligence from Arabic countries -- it all comes through
Sharon. The article also discloses that Mossad has agents disguised as
anti-American Moslems, including perhaps, men infiltrating bin Ladin's
organization -- perhaps even in charge of autonomous
units that could be "hijacked" (i.e. Israel hijacking bin Ladins men
to do counter espionage and even terror that the hijacked personel think
has bin Ladin's blessing!!!)
From the WSJ:
"Immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Sharon ordered Israel's
intelligence agancies to "give the Americans everything, and around the
clock," said one Israeli official. ANother official, noting that
the U.S. has sophisticated electronic intelligence but lacks agents in
key countries, said Israel made available invormation from its agents
inside Muslim countries in Central Asia.
"Israel's intelligence assistance to the U.S. was directedly
linked to al Qaeda and its operations, contacts and financial support, " he
said, declining to elaborate. "It's the kind of quality information
you can't get with a KH-11 [spy satellite]. You have to be on the
We now know that the propaganda of the Gulf War was phony. We
know that the Iraqi's never ripped out neo-natal isolets from intensive
cares units in Kuwait to ship them to Iraq as was claimed; we know
that the little refugee girl that brought tears to her eyes was really
the daughter of a diplomat who was following a script etc.
And now we must think back on that first "home video" tape of bin Laden,
appraently discussing the destruction the the WTC in the crash bombing. And
========The Taliban Home Video by Carol A. Valentine Curator, Waco Holocaust
Electronic Museum http://www.Public-Action.com Copyright, October, 2001
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
== Foreword: Long live the principles of the American Revolution
and the Bill of Rights. Those who run our land today are traitors to
the Old Republic, which they brought down through cunning and stealth.
They lie like Pharisees and demand our loyalty to their imposter state,
even as they use it as a puppet to advance foreign interests. Exposing
these traitors and foreign agents is clearly my patriotic duty. I
will not be intimidated into silence. Let the truth be told, and
let the chips fall where they may. ==
October 15 -- By now you have seen and digested the Taliban home video,
allegedly showing Osama bin Laden and a couple of his buddies sitting
outside their cave in Afganistan, talking about Operation 911. The
video happened to surface on a "Muslim" TV station (al-Jazeera) in the
puppet state of Qatar, just as the first US bombs were falling on Afganistan.
If the US and its pals could fake such a video -- and they're easy to
fake, either with morphing or stand-in impersonators -- why wouldn't
they? Think about it. You're going to bomb a destitute people
in a destitute land. You want to neutralize world outrage that
will inevitably follow. So you have a man -- I'll call him
Osama bin Fake-It -- speak out as the bombs fall. Fake-It sends
a message that offends world conscience, praising the slaughter of New
York civilians, thereby neutralizing sympathy the world might have for
bin Laden's protectors (your intended bombing victims).
The makers of the Taliban Home Video rely upon us having a short memory. They
hope we won't remember an authentic CNN interview with Osama Bin Laden,
conducted by Peter Arnett and shown in March, 1997. In that interview,
bin Laden makes his views clear. In the 2001 Taliban Home Video,
bin Fake-it turns Bin Laden's views around 180 degrees. Coincidentally,
the 180 degree turns just happen to serve US 2001 propaganda purposes.
The 1997 interview is now most newsworthy. Too bad CNN has not
re-released it, but keeping the public fully informed would not serve
the master's purpose. I have a copy of that 1997 CNN interview. It
was sent to me in 1998 and I distributed it with my commentary: "Bin
Laden: A Patriot in His Own Land." Both are attached below for your reading
I would like to compare what Osama bin Laden said in 1997 with what
with Osama bin Fake-It says in 2001. As I do this, you'll probably
want to refer to the transcript of bin Fake-It's remarks as shown on
US TV on October 7. I used the translation I found on the Houston
As you read, remember that bin Laden and his comrades brought the giant
USSR to its knees. He is credited with being an accomplished strategist
and tactician. Bin Laden is no fool.
* Bin Laden on striking military targets, 1997 CNN interview *
Reporter: "Mr. bin Laden, you've declared a jihad against the United
States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against
the US government or the United States' troops in Arabia? What
about US civilians in Arabia or the people of the United States?"
Osama bin Laden: " . . . we have focused our declaration on striking
at the soldiers in the country of The Two Holy Places [Mecca and Medina]
Speaking of the bombings of US troops in Riyadh and Al-Khobar (Dhahran), bin
Laden patiently explained their purpose was to get US occupation troops
out of Arabia. He had high praise for those who did the job.
Fair enough. In America, we also give high praise to our soldiers
when they perform heroically.
Elsewhere in the interview, Arnett asks bin Laden if the jihad will
stop when US troops leave Arabia. Bin Laden replies he wants US
troops out of *all* Muslim lands.
Let's consider the facts. US troops in Muslim lands have two purposes:
to suppress Arabs for Israel and to guarantee cheap oil for the US. That
is, US troop presence in Muslim lands is a violation of our own Constitution,
which says the armed forces are to be used for the common defense of
Our forces in the Muslim lands are occupation armies. Occupation
armies don't leave when politely asked. George Washington
found that out, so he had to kill lots of British soldiers and officers
to drive them out. Bin Laden sees his job as the same. Surely
occupation armies must be willing to take what they are willing to dish
out. Nothing Mr. Bin Laden says here is unusual or unreasonable.
* Bin Fake-It on striking military targets, 2001 Taliban Home Video
Bin Fake-it makes no mention of military targets. Given bin Laden's
1997 goals, Bin Fake-It seems oblivious to the outrageous flaw in Operation
911: no military damage to the enemy. How very odd.
* Bin Laden on striking civilian targets, 1997 CNN interview.*
In response to a question from Arnett, bin Laden says: "As for what
you asked whether jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians
in the land of the Two Holy Places (Mecca and Medina) or against civilians
in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers
in the country of the Two Holy Places.
"The country of the Two Holy Places has in our religion a peculiarity
of its own over the other Muslim countries. In our religion, it
is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore,
even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must
That's clear. Bin Laden is not targeting American civilians. He
just wants them to leave his country.
* Bin Fake-It on striking civilian targets, 2001 Taliban Home Video.*
Speaking of the demolition of the World Trade Center, Bin Fake-It says: "God
has blessed a group of vanguard Muslims ... to destroy America."
So now bin Fake-it is rejoicing that US civilians were killed, despite
the fact that killing civilians was not bin Laden's goal. Bin Fake-It
fails to mention that these US civilians were killed on US soil, even
though Bin Laden's 1997 goal was simply to get them to leave the Muslim
countries. What a stunning switch of strategy.
* Bin Laden's goal: Get US forces out of Muslim lands, 1997 CNN video.*
Arnett asks if bin Laden will quit the jihad if US troops leave Saudi
Arabia. Bin Laden replies US troops must leave Arabia and the rest
of the Muslim world. "... we have declared jihad against the US,
because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that God's word
is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the Americans
away from all Muslim countries."
So Bin Laden's goal was to get US military forces out of Muslim lands. He
does not say he wants to destroy America. He just wants us to go
away, much like we wanted the British to go away in 1776.
* Bin Fake-It's goal: To DESTROY America, 2001 Taliban Home Video.*
The obvious result of bin Fake-It's words "God has blessed a group of
vanguard Muslims ... to destroy America" will be used to justify increased
military presence in Muslim lands and provides the US with a perfect
public relations justification to flood Afganistan with US bombs and
Recall that in the war with the USSR, the Muslims did not pursue the
Russians onto Russian soil. The Muslims were satisfied with driving
them out of Afghanistan. But now bin Fake-It invites open war,
a war he cannot possibly win. Strategically, praising Operation
911 was a disaster for an accomplished strategist and tactician.
* Bin Laden's expansive statements on Jewish control of the United States,
1997 CNN interview.*
Search the 1997 text yourself for his words on this matter. "Due
to its subordination to the Jews ..." See his other references to the
US and Israel.
* Bin Fake-It's statements on Jewish control of the United States, 2001
Taliban Home Video.*
Bin Fake-It doesn't mention that the Jews control America. Surely
bin Laden wouldn't miss this golden opportunity to go to the heart of
the matter. After all, Operation 911 caused a big splash. We
would have had the patience to listen. But the Taliban Home Video
was just a minute or so long. Bin Fake-It was given just enough
time to provide Tee Vee sound bytes that damaged Muslims interests, but
not enough time to expose those who wish to tear out Islam's heart. Very
* Bottom Line *
Let's move on from those interviews and notice this: The US now says
it is "in no hurry" to catch bin Laden.
"The Pentagon is in no hurry to try to catch or kill Osama bin Laden
as it orchestrates a step-by-step bombing campaign over Afghanistan." ("Pentagon
Will Not Rush Manhunt," Washington Times, October 9, 2001.)
But just a few weeks before the US DEMANDED that the Taliban hand bin
Laden over or the US would take military action . . . . The refusal
of the Taliban to hand bin Laden over without evidence or judicial procedure
was the causa belli of the military strikes.
Recall that the US is accusing bin Laden of masterminding the slaughter
of approximately 7,000 Americans, and has said that he is the brains
and the money behind the Taliban. If those statements are true,
capturing him should be the first priority. Indeed, by October
11, the FBI warns us that over the next several days, we should be aware
of new terrorist attacks, which would of course be directed by the pesky
bin Laden. The Senate and the House of Representatives pass a draconian
bill, allowing suspension of our rights, but, remember: " The Pentagon
is in no hurry to try to catch or kill Osama bin Laden . . . "
On October 14, CNN.com reported President Bush again refused an offer
by the Taliban to surrender bin Laden to a third country if the US would
produce evidence of his complicity in Operation 911. ("Afganistan pounded
in second week of airstrikes.")
No, capturing or otherwise placing Osama bin-Laden in custody would
spoil the fun. It's better to have bin Fake-It on the loose,
mouthing the words written by the NWO psyops team.
The Taliban Home Video was first aired on the Qatar TV station al-Jazeera. Al-Jazeera
was founded only five years ago, during what was probably the planning
stages of this war. Al-Jazeera deserves attention, and its getting
some. It was the subject of a breathlessly adoring article in the
Washington Post's Style Section on October 9, 2001 ("Qatar TV Station
A Clear Channel To Middle East." )
" . . . it has the record of breaking exclusive news stories that many
American networks might envy," drools the Post. Al-Jazeera followed
up its broadcast of bin Fake-It "with an interview with British Prime
Minister Tony Blair. Other recent interview guests have included
Secretary of State Colin Power and Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres."
"What makes al-Jazeera's scoops all the more remarkable is that the
24-hour satellite news station is the creation of one of the world's
smallest countries, Qatar, and broadcasts out of a region with little
tradition of press freedom . . . "
"Just as CNN became compulsory viewing around the world during the 1991
Gulf War, so too is al Jazeera becoming an indispensable source of intelligence
on events inside Afghanistan . . .
To those who live far away from the Washington, D.C. beltway, the significance
of a Post STYLE article may not be apparent, but know this: Whom our
Jewish supremacist masters wish to raise up or cast down -- these are
accorded a feature article in STYLE section of the Washington Post.
Yes, al-Jazeera is just as Jewish as Seinfeld. Expect more bin
Fake-It news and bin Fake-It photos from al-Jazeera.
* Votes, Please *
So, how do you vote? Was the Taliban Home Video a morphing job,
or was an Osama bin Laden impersonator used?
The FBI votes for the impersonator. How do I know? Look
at the FBI's Most Wanted page and see the image of bin Laden they are
Not the grainy image we see in the Taliban Home Video, is it? I
have downloaded this FBI webpage for safekeeping, and advise you to do
the same, before the photo is replaced with another image.
(From Washington Times, October 8, 2001, pg. A3.)
Note that the FBI says of its photo: "Date of Photograph unknown." Why
not use a current image, the one in the Taliban Home Video, if you believe
that image is true?
Come to think of it, why can't the FBI offer a date for its photo of
Public Enemy Number One? The world's foremost investigative agency
should know the source of its own material and find out when the photo
was taken. Is that too difficult?
But don't expect reason or truth. Remember who you are dealing
with. Israel's puppet state -- let's agree to call it USrael --is one
of the most deceitful and ruthless nations on Earth, and the FBI is one
of its fix-it arms. You only need to remember the Waco Holocaust
to know that. So of course the case against Osama bin Laden, together
with the hokie Taliban Home Video, STINKS.
Now, here is the 1997 CNN interview and my commentary
=== "Bin Laden: A Patriot In His Own Land" and CNN March 1977 Interview
by Carol A. Valentine Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum
Copyright, August 1998 May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
In March, 1997 Osama Bin Laden was interviewed by CNN. In that interview,
Bin Laden he made a number of incontestable points:
* " . . . the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical
. . . . The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those
innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off
in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon) . . . "
[We're reading you, Mr. Bin Ladin. We watched the US butcher American
children in Waco. See: http://www.Public-Action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/death.html .
For video of the Qana massacre: http://www.middleeast.org/mer117.htm ]
* The US is subordinated to Jewish/Israeli interests; * The government
of Saudi Arabia is a US-puppet government; * The US-puppet Saudi government
artificially holds down the price of oil; * The US-puppet Saudi government
thus conspires in the theft of Arabian natural resources; * The price
of oil should be set by the free market.
"The US . . . wants to occupy our countries, steal our resources,
impose on us agents to rule us based not on what God has revealed and
wants us to agree on all this. If we refuse to do so, it will say
we are terrorists . . . At the time that they condemn any Muslim who
calls for his rights, they receive the highest top official of the Irish
Republican army at the White House as a political leader, while woe,
all woe, to the Muslims if they cry out for their rights. Wherever we
look we find the US as the leader of terrorism and crime in the world."
Osama Bin Laden sounds much like one of our own Founding Fathers facing
the tyranny of King George III. That we have gained the enmity
of this man is a bitter commentary on our own imperialism and our own
betrayal of the principles of the American Revolution.
Notice how quickly the reporter gets down to the key issue: the
price of oil if Arabia was not a US puppet state (see third question).
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: Thanks to Norm at http://www.flinet.com/~politics/aipac/
for bringing my attention to the CNN interview.
===Transcript of Osama Bin Laden interview====
first-ever television interview with Osama Bin Ladin was conducted by
Peter Arnett in eastern Afghanistan in late March 1997. Questions
were submitted in advance. Bin Ladin responded to almost all of the questions. CNN
was not allowed to ask follow up questions. The interview lasted just
over an hour.
ARNETT: Mr. Bin Ladin, could you give us your main criticism of the
Saudi royal Family that is ruling Saudi Arabia today?
MR. BIN LADIN: Regarding the criticisms of the ruling regime in Saudi
Arabia and the Arabian peninsula, the first one is their subordination
to the US. So, our main problem is the US government while the Saudi
regime is but a branch or an agent of the US. By being loyal to the US
regime, the Saudi regime has committed an act against Islam. And this,
based on the ruling of Shari'a (Islamic jurisprudence), casts the regime
outside the religious community. Subsequently, the regime has stopped
ruling people according to what God revealed, praise and glory be to
Him, not to mention many other contradictory acts. When this main foundation
was violated, other corrupt acts followed in every aspect of the country,
the economic, the social, government services and so on.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, if the Islamic movement takes over Arabia,
what kind of society will be created and will Saudi Arabia, for example,
return to the laws of the Qur'an at the time of the Prophet?
BIN LADIN: We are confident, with the permission of God, Praise and
Glory be to Him, that Muslims will be victorious in the Arabian peninsula
and that God's religion, praise and glory be to Him, will prevail in
this peninsula. It is a great pride and a big hope that the revelation
unto Muhammad, Peace be upon him, will be resorted to for ruling. When
we used to follow Muhammad's revelation, Peace be upon him, we were in
great happiness and in great dignity, to God belong credit and praise.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, if the Islamic movement takes over Saudi Arabia,
what would your attitude to the West be and will the price of oil be
BIN LADIN: We are a nation and have a long history, with the grace of
God, Praise and Glory be to Him. We are now in the 15th century of this
great religion, the complete and comprehensive methodology, has clarified
the dealing between an individual and another, the duties of the believer
towards God, Praise and Glory be to Him, and the relationship between
the Muslim country and other countries in time of peace and in time of
war. If we look back at our history, we will find there were many types
of dealings between the Muslim nation and the other nations in time of
peace and in time of war, including treaties and matters to do with commerce.
So it is not a new thing that we need to come up with. Rather, it already,
by the grace of God, exists. As for oil, it is a commodity that will
be subject to the price of the market according to supply and demand.
We believe that the current prices are not realistic due to the Saudi
regime playing the role of a US agent and the pressures exercised by
the US on the Saudi regime to increase production and flooding the market
that caused a sharp decrease in oil prices.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, you've declared a jihad against the United
States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against the US
government or the United States' troops in Arabia? What about US civilians
in Arabia or the people of the United States?
BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the
US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts
that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through
its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land
(Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those
who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US
reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were
dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that
took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian
feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved
in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in
the world. They should have been considerate that the qibla (Mecca) of
the Muslims upheaves the emotion of the entire Muslim World. Due to its
subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime
has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims
(Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and
other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against
the US, because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that
God's word is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the
Americans away from all Muslim countries. As for what you asked whether
jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians in the land of the
Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia, Mecca and Medina) or against the civilians
in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers
in the country of The Two Holy Places. The country of the Two Holy Places
has in our religion a peculiarity of its own over the other Muslim countries.
In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in
our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted
in our plan, they must leave. We do not guarantee their safety, because
we are in a society of more than a billion Muslims. A reaction might
take place as a result of US government's hitting Muslim civilians and
executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing
food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any
reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians. This
is what we say. As for what you asked regarding the American people,
they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this
government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in
Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places and its support of its agent
regimes who filled our prisons with our best children and scholars. We
ask that may God release them.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, will the end of the United States' presence
in Saudi Arabia, their withdrawal, will that end your call for jihad
against the United States and against the US ?
BIN LADIN: The cause of the reaction must be sought and the act that
has triggered this reaction must be eliminated. The reaction came as
a result of the US aggressive policy towards the entire Muslim world
and not just towards the Arabian peninsula. So if the cause that has
called for this act comes to an end, this act, in turn, will come to
an end. So, the driving-away jihad against the US does not stop with
its withdrawal from the Arabian peninsula, but rather it must desist
from aggressive intervention against Muslims in the whole world.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, tell us about your experience during the Afghan
war and what did you do during that jihad?
BIN LADIN: Praise be to God, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds,
that He made it possible for us to aid the Mujahidin in Afghanistan without
any declaration for jihad. It was rather the news that was broadcast
by radio stations that the Soviet Union invaded a Muslim country. This
was a sufficient motivation for me to start to aid our brothers in Afghanistan.
I have benefitted so greatly from the jihad in Afghanistan that it would
have been impossible for me to gain such a benefit from any other chance
and this cannot be measured by tens of years but rather more than that,
Praise and Gratitude be to God. In spite of the Soviet power, we used
to move with confidence and God conferred favors on us so that we transported
heavy equipment from the country of the Two Holy Places (Arabia) estimated
at hundreds of tons altogether that included bulldozers, loaders, dump
trucks and equipment for digging trenches. When we saw the brutality
of the Russians bombing Mujahidins' positions, by the grace of God, we
dug a good number of huge tunnels and built in them some storage places
and in some others we built a hospital. We also dug some roads, by the
grace of God, Praise and glory be to Him, one of which you came by to
us tonight. So our experience in this jihad was great, by the grace of
God, praise and glory be to Him, and the most of what we benefitted from
was that the myth of the super power was destroyed not only in my mind
but also in the minds of all Muslims. Slumber and fatigue vanished and
so was the terror which the US would use in its media by attributing
itself super power status or which the Soviet Union used by attributing
itself as a super power. Today, the entire Muslim world, by the grace
of God, has imbibed the faithful spirit of strength and started to interact
in a good manner in order to bring an end to occupation and the Western
and American influence on our countries.
REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, what was the significance of the Afgan war
for the Islamic movement? Veterans of that war are fighting for Islamic
movements and conflicts from the former Soviet republics such as Chechnya
to Bosnia to Algeria. Can you explain that phenomenon to us?
BIN LADIN: As I mentioned in my answer to the previous question, the
effect of jihad has been great not only at the level of the Islamic movement
but rather at the level of the Muslim nation in the whole world. The
spirit of power, dignity and confidence has grown in our sons and brothers
for this religion and the power of God, Praise and Glory be to Him. And
it has become apparent even to the Islamic movement that there is no
choice but return to the original spring, to this religion, to God's
Book, Praise and Glory be to Him, and to the sunna of His Prophet, Peace
be upon him, as understood by our predecessors, may God be pleased with
them. Of this, the acme of this religion is jihad. The nation has had
a strong conviction that there is no way to obtain faithful strength
but by returning to this jihad. The influence of the Afghan jihad on
the Islamic world was so great and it necessitates that people should
rise above many of their differences and unite their efforts against
their enemy. Today, the nation is interacting well by uniting its efforts
through jihad against the US which has in collaboration with the Israeli
government led the ferocious campaign against the Islamic World in occupying
the holy sites of the Muslims. As for the young men who participated
in jihad here, their number, by the grace of God, was quite big, Praise
and Gratitude be to Him, and they spread in every place in which non
believers' injustice is perpetuated against Muslims. Their going to Bosnia,
Chechnya, Tajikistan and other countries is but a fulfillment of a duty,
because we believe that these states are part of the Islamic World. Therefore,
any act of aggression against any of this land of a span of hand measure
makes it a duty for Muslims to send a sufficient number of their sons
to fight off that aggression.
REPORTER: Can you tell us now about your expulsion from Saudi Arabia
and your time you spent in Sudan and your arrival here in Afganistan?
BIN LADIN: I was, by the grace of God, Praise and Glory be to Him, in
the great spot that is dear to God, Praise and Glory be to Him, al-hijaz,
especially Venerable Mecca, where is God's Ancient House. However, the
Saudi regime imposed on the people a life that does not appeal to the
free believer. They wanted the people to eat and drink and celebrate
the praise of God, but if the people wanted to encourage what is right
and forbid what is wrong, they can't. Rather, the regime dismisses them
from their jobs and in the event they continued to do so, they are detained
in prisons. I have rejected to live this submissive life, by God's favor,
Praise and Gratitude be to Him, that is not befitting of man let alone
a believer. So, I waited for the chance until, God, Praise and Glory
be to Him, has made it possible for me to leave the country of the Two
Holy Places. I hope God, Praise and Glory be to Him, would confer upon
me His favor to return one day when God's law rules in that country.
I went to the Sudan and stayed there for about five years during which
I visited Afghanistan and Pakistan to work against the Communist government
in Kabul. When the Saudi government transgressed in oppressing all voices
of the scholars and the voices of those who call for Islam, I found myself
forced, especially after the government prevented Sheik Salman al-Awdah
and Sheik Safar al-Hawali and some other scholars, to carry out a small
part of my duty of enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong. So,
I collaborated with some brothers and established a committee for offering
advice and we started to publish some declarations. (The Advice and Reformation
Committee). However, the Saudi regime did not like this and started to
exercise pressure on the Sudanese regime. The US government, the Egyptian
government and the Yemeni government also helped in doing so. They requested
me explicitly from the Sudanese regime and the pressure continued. Saudi
Arabia dropped all of its conditions put to the Sudanese regime in return
that I be driven out of the Sudan. The US government had already taken
the same stance and pulled out its diplomatic mission from Khartoum and
put forth their condition to return only after I have left. Unfortunately,
the Sudanese government was in some difficult circumstances and there
was a tendency inside the government that was inclined to reconciliation
or surrender. Then, when they insisted initially that I should keep my
mouth shut, I decided to look for a land in which I can breathe a pure,
free air to perform my duty in enjoining what is right and forbidding
what is wrong. I ask God, Praise and Glory be to Him, for increase in
prosperity for this great land, the Land of Khurasan (Afghanistan) in
order to carry on this duty. So, we implore God, Praise and Glory be
to Him, that He accept (our deeds) from us and the Muslims.
REPORTER: Now, the United States government says that you are
still funding military training camps here in Afganistan for militant,
Islamic fighters and that you are a sponsor of international terrorism;
but others describe you as the new hero of the Arab-Islamic world. Are
these accusations true? How do you describe yourself?
BIN LADIN: After the collapse of the Soviet Union in which the US has
no mentionable role, but rather the credit goes to God, Praise and Glory
be to Him, and the Mujahidin in Afghanistan, this collapse made the US
more haughty and arrogant and it has started to look at itself as a Master
of this world and established what it calls the new world order. It wanted
to delude people that it can do whatever it wants, but it can't do this.
It leveled against me and others as many accusations as it desired and
wished. It is these (accusations) that you mentioned. The US today as
a result of the arrogant atmosphere has set a double standard, calling
whoever goes against its injustice a terrorist. It wants to occupy our
countries, steal our resources, impose on us agents to rule us based
not on what God has revealed and wants us to agree on all these. If we
refuse to do so, it will say you are terrorists. With a simple look at
the US behaviors, we find that it judges the behavior of the poor Palestinian
children whose country was occupied: if they throw stones against the
Israeli occupation, it says they are terrorists whereas when the Israeli
pilots bombed the United Nations building in Qana, Lebanon while was
full of children and women, the US stopped any plan to condemn Israel.
At the time that they condemn any Muslim who calls for his right, they
receive the highest top official of the Irish Republican Army (Gerry
Adams) at the White House as a political leader, while woe, all woe is
the Muslims if they cry out for their rights. Wherever we look, we find
the US as the leader of terrorism and crime in the world. The US does
not consider it a terrorist act to throw atomic bombs at nations thousands
of miles away, when it would not be possible for those bombs to hit military
troops only. These bombs were rather thrown at entire nations, including
women, children and elderly people and up to this day the traces of those
bombs remain in Japan. The US does not consider it terrorism when hundreds
of thousands of our sons and brothers in Iraq died for lack of food or
medicine. So, there is no base for what the US says and this saying does
not affect us, because we, by the grace of God, are dependent on Him,
Praise and Glory be to Him, getting help from Him against the US. As
for the last part of your question, we are fulfilling a duty which God,
Praise and Glory be to Him, decreed for us. We look upon those heroes,
those men who undertook to kill the American occupiers in Riyadh and
Khobar (Dhahran). We describe those as heroes and describe them as men.
They have pulled down the disgrace and submissiveness off the forehead
of their nation. We ask Allah, Praise and Glory be to Him, to accept
them as martyrs.
REPORTER: Let's go to the bombings of United States troops in Riyadh
and Dhahran. Why did they happen and were you and your supporters involved
in these attacks?
BIN LADIN: We ask about the main reason that called for this explosion.
This explosion was a reaction to a US provocation of the Muslim peoples,
in which the US transgressed in its aggression until it reached the qibla
of the Muslims in the whole world. So, the purpose of the two explosions
is to get the American occupation out (of Arabia). So if the U.S. does
not want to kill its sons who are in the army, then it has to get out.
Q: On the same issue of the American troops in Saudi Arabia, do you
think there will be more bombing attacks on them? or attacks on U.S.
civilians in Arabia? or assassination attempts for example, on the Saudi
BIN LADIN: As for the previous question, the explosion of Riyadh and
the one in Al-Khobar (Dhahran). It is no secret that during the two explosions,
I was not in Saudi Arabia, but I have great respect for the people who
did this action. I say, as I said before, they are heroes. We look upon
them as men who wanted to raise the flag of " There is no God but Allah",
and to put an end the non believers and the state of injustice that the
U.S. brought. I also say that what they did is a great job and a big
honor that I missed participating in.
Q) Do you think there will be more bombing attacks on American troops
in Saudi Arabia? or attacks on American civilians in Saudi Arabia? or
will there be assassination attempts on the Saudi Arabian ruling family?
BIN LADIN: It is known that every action has its reaction. If the American
presence continues, and that is an action, then it is natural for reactions
to continue against this presence. In other words, explosions and killings
of the American soldiers would continue. These are the troops who left
their country and their families and came here with all arrogance to
steal our oil and disgrace us, and attack our religion. As for what was
mentioned about the ruling (Saudi) family those in charge, do bear the
full responsibility of everything that may happen. They are the shadow
of the American presence. The people and the young men are concentrating
their efforts on the sponsor and not on the sponsored. The concentration
at this point of Jihad is against the American occupiers.
Q) What are your views about Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman and have you ever
met him? Do you know him?
BIN LADIN: Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman is a Muslim scholar well-known all
over the Muslim world. He represents the kind of injustice that is adopted
by the U.S. A baseless case was fabricated against him even though he
is a blind old man. We ask Allah, The Almighty, to relieve him. The U.S.
sentenced him to hundreds of years just to please its caprice and the
whims of the Egyptian regime. He is now very badly treated and in no
way fit for an old man like him or any Muslim scholar.
Q) The U.S. State Department quoting a Pakistani official says that
Ramzi Yousef, a convicted bomber in the World Trade Center in New York
City stayed in the house you funded in Peshawar, Pakistan for those receiving
training during the Afghan conflict after the Trade Center bombing, is
that true? Did Ramzi Yousef stay in your house in Peshawar?
BIN LADIN: I do not know Ramzi Yousef. What the American government
and Pakistani intelligence has been reporting is not true at all. But
I say if the American government is serious about avoiding the explosions
inside the U.S., then let it stop provoking the feelings of 1,250 million
Muslims. Those hundreds of thousands who have been killed or displaced
in Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon, do have brothers and relatives. They would
make of Ramzi Yousef a symbol and a teacher. The U.S. will drive them
to transfer the battle into the United States. Everything is made possible
to protect the blood of the American citizen while the bloodshed of Muslims
is allowed in every place. With this kind of behavior, the U.S. government
is hurting itself, hurting Muslims and hurting the American people.
Q) Mr. Bin Ladin, were you involved in financing the bombing of the
World Trade Center in New York City?
BIN LADIN: I have no connection or relation with this explosion.
Q) Mr. Bin Ladin, in a recent interview with an Arabic newspaper, you
said that Arabs who fought in the Afghan war killed U.S. troops in Mogadishu,
Somalia. Can you tell us about that?
BIN LADIN: The U.S. government went there with great pride and stayed
there for some time with a strong media presence wanting to frighten
people that it is the greatest power on earth. It went there with pride
and with over 28,000 soldiers, to a poor unarmed people in Somalia. The
goal of this was to scare the Muslim world and the whole world saying
that it is able to do whatever it desires. As soon as the troops reached
the Mogadishu beaches, they found no one but children. The CNN and other
media cameras started photographing them (the soldiers) with their camouflage
and heavy arms, entering with a parade crawling (on the ground) and showing
themselves to the world as the "greatest power on earth". Resistance
started against the American invasion, because Muslims do not believe
the U.S. allegations that they came to save the Somalis. A man
with human feelings in his heart does not distinguish between a child
killed in Palestine or in Lebanon, in Iraq or in Bosnia. So how can we
believe your claims that you came to save our children in Somalia while
you kill our children in all of those places?
With Allah's grace, Muslims over there, cooperated with some Arab "Mujahideen" who
were in Afghanistan. They participated with their brothers in Somalia
against the American occupation troops and killed large numbers of them.
The American administration was aware of that. After a little resistance. The
American troops left after achieving nothing. They left after claiming
that they were the largest power on earth. They left after some resistance
from powerless, poor, unarmed people whose only weapon is the belief
in Allah The Almighty, and who do not fear the fabricated American media
lies. We learned from those who fought there, that they were surprised
to see the low spiritual morale of the American fighters in comparison
with the experience they had with the Russian fighters. The Americans
ran away from those fighters who fought and killed them, while the latter
were still there. If the U.S. still thinks and brags that it still has
this kind of power even after all these successive defeats in Vietnam,
Beirut, Aden, and Somalia, then let them go back to those who are awaiting
Q) Mr. Bin Laden, your family is a rich powerful family in Saudi Arabia.
Have they, or the Saudi Arabian government asked you to stop your activities?
BIN LADIN: They have done that a lot. They have pressured us a lot,
especially since a lot of our money is still in the hands of the Saudi
ruling family due to activities of the our family and company (Saudi
construction giant, the Bin Ladin Group). They sent me my mother, my
uncle, and my brothers in almost nine visits to Khartoum (Sudan) asking
me to stop and return to Arabia to apologize to King Fahd. I apologized
to my family kindly because I know that they were driven by force to
come to talk to me. This regime wants to create a problem between me
and my family and in order to take some measures against them. But, with
Allah's grace, this regime did not get its wish fulfilled. I refused
to go back. They (my family) conveyed the Saudi government's message
that if I did not go back, they'll freeze all my assets, deprive me of
my citizenship, my passport, and my Saudi I.D. and distort my picture
in the Saudi and foreign media. They think that a Muslim may bargain
on his religion. I said to them do whatever you may wish. It is with
Allah's bounty, we refused to go back. We are living in dignity and honor
for whom we thank Allah. It is much better for us to live under a tree
here on these mountains than to live in palaces in the most sacred land
to Allah, while being subjected to disgrace not worshipping Allah even
in the most sacred land on earth, where injustice is so widespread. There
is no strength except with Allah.
Q) Mr. Bin Ladin, have Saudi agents attempted to assassinate you? Are
you targeted by the U.S. government? Are you in fact in fear of your
BIN LADIN: The U.S. pressures are no secret to you. The Saudi pressures
are also in response to American pressures. There were several attempts
to arrest me or to assassinate me. This has been going on for more than
seven years. With Allah's grace, none of these attempts succeeded. This
is a proof in itself to Muslims and to the world that the U.S. is incapable
and weaker than the picture it wants to draw in people's mind. A believer
must rest assured that life is only in the hands of Allah, and sustenance
is also in the hands of Allah, the Almighty. As for fearing for one's
life, it is difficult to explain to you how we think of ourselves, unless
you have full belief. We believe that no one could take out one breath
of our written life as ordained by Allah. We see that we see that getting
killed in the cause of Allah is a great honor wished for by our Prophet
(PBUH). He said in his Hadith: "I swear to Allah, I wish to fight for
Allah's cause and be killed, I'll do it again and be killed, and I'll
do it again and be killed". Being killed for Allah's cause is a great
honor achieved by only those who are the elite of the nation. We love
this kind of death for Allah's cause as much as you like to live. We
have nothing to fear for. It is something we wish for.
Q) What are your future plans?
BIN LADIN: You'll see them and hear about them in the media, God willing.
Q) Mr. Bin Ladin, if you had an opportunity to give a message to President
Clinton, what would that message be?
BIN LADIN: Mentioning the name of Clinton or that of the American government
provokes disgust and revulsion. This is because the name of the American
government and the name of Clinton and Bush directly reflect in our minds
the picture of children with their heads cut off before even reaching
one year of age. It reflects the picture of children with their hands
cut off, the picture of the children who died in Iraq, the picture of
the hands of the Israelis with weapons destroying our children. The hearts
of Muslims are filled with hatred towards the United States of America
and the American president The President has a heart that knows no words.
A heart that kills hundreds of children definitely, knows no words. Our
people in the Arabian Peninsula will send him messages with no words
because he does not know any words. If there is a message that I may
send through you, then it is a message I address to the mothers of the
American troops who came here with their military uniform walking proudly
up and down our land while the scholars of our country are thrown in
prisons. I say that this represents a blatant provocation to 1,250 million
Muslims. To these mothers I say if they are concerned for their sons,
then let them object to the American government's policy and to the American
president. Do not let themselves be cheated by his standing before the
bodies of the killed soldiers describing the freedom fighters in Saudi
Arabia as terrorists. It is he who is a terrorist who pushed their sons
into this for the sake of the Israeli interest. We believe that the American
army in Saudi Arabia came to separate between the Muslims and the people
for not ruling in accordance with Allah's wish. They came to be
in support of the Israeli forces in occupied Palestine, the land of the "Israa" of
our Prophet (PBUH).
-- Carol A. Valentine President, Public Action, Inc. Copyright, October,
2001. May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
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